Just the begining

[tamthetim]

'This has to be said about Rangers,as a Scottish Football Club, they are a permanent embarrassment and an occasional disgrace.
This country would be a better place if Rangers did not exist"
Ian Archer.

Like I said just the begining for I have travelled a tad just like most on this forum, and to this day I am still shocked that in that wee country of my birth, that wee country I still love, some are still allowed to participate in their marches of hate, no where else in this world were Ive had the pleasure to wonder would that be tolerated.

Now I hope for all decent footballing Rangers supporting people out there that their club will survive, albeit
at a smaller level of good fortune to what they may feel accustomed to.


However I will not hold my breath that the same people who are in the process of eliminating one of the most bigoted organizations the sports world has ever witnessed, due to back taxes, will then eliminate an organization of hate, or at least curtail them from marching on property that was paid for by people who pay taxes.


Just my opinion.

[Delbhoy]

If Rangers do disappear or have to phoenix out of liquidation Tam the Walks will take on a whole new significance for those amongst their support who like to think of themselves as the Peepul and Loyal etc.

The marches will if anything swell in size....

[tamthetim]

If Rangers do disappear or have to phoenix out of liquidation Tam the Walks will take on a whole new significance for those amongst their support who like to think of themselves as the Peepul and Loyal etc.

The marches will if anything swell in size....

Del thats what I meant on the wounded bear thread, we'll see.

[Delbhoy]

Sorry pal busy day, not looked at the forum till about half hour ago and still not read all the posts (of which there are shit loads) might of missed it.

[tamthetim]

Sorry pal busy day, not looked at the forum till about half hour ago and still not read all the posts (of which there are shit loads) might of missed it.

That was last week pal.

But what the ones in charge are saying,is, do what you like but don't owe us money.

[Delbhoy]

That was last week pal.

Ma brain must be turning to jelly :;-D:

[fd1972uk]

You should get cream for that, ice cream!


FD

[TicTacToe]

I do think and maybe naively, that there had been a shift more and more away from the extreme view within the Rangers support. By pure accident my two direct reports are, a Celtic fan and a Rangers fan, both here in London and both English. They are completely different from the Celtic and Rangers fan I remember as a boy growing up. I know they are English but they are from Scottish roots so have strong connections back home. From the embers of what is left I would have thought that it will be the good that rises. I think the "bad" will only become visible again if the club ever becomes successful again. Its a thought that seems logical.

The last few days have had strong negative undertones, but I do think that there is a real positive that can come out of this for Scottish football if it is done right. The 5 words of that last sentence is of course the bit where it could equally all go wrong.

[Delbhoy]

TTT of course it's naive to suggest a shift away from extreme views within the Rangers, and to an extent Celtic, support based on two English people living in London.

I would think to get a better idea on what shift in view this is likely to bring about you would need a far higher number of subjects to study and from a range of backgrounds.

Pop over to Swallow Swallow. Now tell us is the prevailing mood just now one that it would be good if the club had to start over to clear out the extremists or is it no surrender and we are the peepul?

The biggest positive that could come out of this for Scottish society would be Rangers ceasing to exist. Domestically they could still undermine Scotland as a forward thinking nation with their marches however embarrassments like their 'marches' in Manchester and Barcelona would be confined to a dark chapter in history...

[robbie]

tictactoe
If you want a flavour of how much more enlightened Bears are these days have a little read of Rangers Media. I had a look in here for the first time today to see their reaction to recent events and was stunned by how abusive, homophobic, racist and sectarian the postings were, and that is an open and accessible forum. What are these people like behind closed doors?

[TicTacToe]

Del, I don't disagree. But I would say that like every sizeable change in life or society, it is normally driven from an event. A largely unsuccessful Rangers post administration is not going to do it for the "Hello Hello" brigade. They want baubles and bragging rights, for that reason I do think a start up club would have a chance, but I suppose any success could just being it all back again.

The fellas I work with are well aware of the history and views, like i said they are from Scottish backgrounds, but it is different in England, but they go to games and they see first hand the elements of extremism. But, I accept it could be naive, but I truly would like to believe that Scottish football could enter a phase where rivalry was just that, rivalry.

As for Follow Follow. I'll give you some context I got from an article I read on there that was months and months old. It spoke of how 90% plus of Follow Follow hated Murray and yet when they staged a protest a bigger (and to use their own words), more sinister group was there to counter them and to basically scare them away. The thrust of the thread was that Follow Follow was not representative of the Rangers support, it might like to think that it is but that event proved to one fella at least that it certainly was not. Now, that is a powerful statement for someone to make, but it was made with some interesting context.

[TicTacToe]

tictactoe
If you want a flavour of how much more enlightened Bears are these days have a little read of Rangers Media. I had a look in here for the first time today to see their reaction to recent events and was stunned by how abusive, homophobic, racist and sectarian the postings were, and that is an open and accessible forum. What are these people like behind closed doors?

Robbie, I don't want to get caught up in a "whose worse" debate, I'm merely saying and I have prefaced it by saying that it may be naive, who knows, something positive might occur and a Rangers with less vitriol may surface. I could be very wrong. But in truth, I'd rather the whole support dispersed to their local clubs to support and that Scottish football generally got better. That would not have a short term benefit for Celtic, but it would be better longer term.

[Delbhoy]

If they are relegated to the 3rd division there is not a doubt in my mind the number joining the Orange Order and their marches will swell to record numbers in the years it will take Rangers Newco to get back to the SPL as they seek new ways to vent their rage.

Oh and I was part of the bigger more sinister group that scared the protesters they had assembled, it was me and 9 of ma pals on the way to Bellahouston Park for a game of five a side and we outnumbered them 2 to 1 :;;D: